Fastpass Rumors

[CrustyJuggler]

I hope it's not true. From wdwinfo.com:

"A rumor is spreading around the internet that Walt Disney World will begin enforcing FASTPASS return times beginning in early March (possibly the 7th). Officially, the FASTPASS system provides park guests with a one-hour return "window" so they can avoid waiting in typically long lines for attractions. However, it has been common, yet unofficial, practice for cast members to only enforce the starting time and not the ending time. For example, if the listed return "window" is from 10:05 am - 11:05 am, cast members would not allow you entrance to the FASTPASS line until 10:05. In the past, the beginning of the "window" is the only time to which attention was paid. Therefore, a guest who returned at 6:00 pm would still be allowed entrance using his or her 10:05 am - 11:05 am FASTPASS. Consequently, many guests would plan their park touring around the leniency of FASTPASS return times. Supposedly, the ending return time (in the above example, 11:05 am) will now be strictly enforced as well, though some are suggesting there may still be a 15 minute "grace period." As for a reason behind this policy change, many are speculating it is due to a new Next Generation FASTPASS system which will allow guests to reserve their FASTPASSES both before they leave home and from their Disney hotel room."

http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_Disney_News/Rumor_FASTPASS_late_returns_to_end_in_March.htm?ut m_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

[Allotes]

Never had too many problems making the window, but if we did miss, it wasn't a big deal.

[stitch1085]

I think this is a good idea. Too many times I will be at Disneyland and the Fast Pass lines are ten times longer than they really should be (especially during the holiday seasons). I believe a large part of that problem was because people were allowed to hang on to their fast pass and use it ANY TIME after the start time passed. This will hopefully weed out those people from, what I see as, abusing the system. I use the fast pass immediately once the start time is valid, for me I find it unnecessary to have a million fast passes in hand and not use.

[crazybones27]

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. I find it rude to think people were using their fast passes to return at 6pm when their end time was 11:05am. We have never returned later then our fast pass ticket time expecting it to be ok. If we miss the hour then that was our fault and we try again a different day or wait in the regular line. Why do people think its ok to still use the fast pass line after their hour on their ticket has expired? There's a reason why there's a time on you ticket. I really don't understand this why this is even a rumor.

[HawkeyeVinyl]

I never knew you could go later than your window until this last trip. I had always gone during my time window like a good little child :) I liked the freedom to go whenever you want after the start time, but I can definitely see why they would enforce it. Probably makes the whole system smoother, since that's what the fastpasses were designed to do from the start

[mshalloween]

I hope this rumor is true; it only makes sense. I'm one of those people who only goes back at my scheduled time too :) I hope they do enforce this as it seems like it should be something they are already practicing.

[CrustyJuggler]

I used this feature quite a bit during my last trip, so I'm a little sad to see it go (if it does). I think they would put it in place to prevent the large tour groups (50-120 people) from flooding the fastpass line all at once. I had this happen to me at Soarin and it was really frustrating. Other than that one time, I've never seen a large line for Fastpass at WDW. Usually there's a group of people blocking the Fastpass line while they wait for their time to come, which to me is pretty annoying.

[FireMickey216]

I hope its true as well since I'm a person that returns when time is due it won affect me. Rules are rules, its really rediculous when someone has a return time for 10:05-11:05 and they show up @ 7:00 :doh:

[Return_of_Phos]

I agree with everyone, I always returned during the time stated on the fast pass and I too thought that if I missed the window the fastpass was no good.

[Story]

I agree that they always should have been enforcing it anyway so not a big deal to me either. If people don't follow the Fastpass times, then wouldn't fast passes quickly lose their purpose? :lol:

[Silvered]

I'll admit to abusing it once or twice, but we would still be in the 15 minutes grace period. It was more like, we decided to get something to eat before our Fastpass time and just didn't hurry to finish because we knew they would still be good. But getting a fast pass for 11:15 and not using it till 6? There is something wrong there. I kinda liked that they didn't enforce the end times, but I'm not heartbroken that they will start either.

[Phylers]

Three words: Toy Story Mania. I'd bet dollars to donuts that TSM drove the necessity of this alleged new rule, and frankly, I'm in the majority that's completely fine with it.

[mshalloween]

I'll admit to abusing it once or twice, but we would still be in the 15 minutes grace period. It was more like, we decided to get something to eat before our Fastpass time and just didn't hurry to finish because we knew they would still be good. But getting a fast pass for 11:15 and not using it till 6? There is something wrong there. I kinda liked that they didn't enforce the end times, but I'm not heartbroken that they will start either.

I don't see a problem with 15 minutes past the end of the hour block because it's still pretty close to the time you were supposed to go back. I think the real problem is when people use their fast passes whenever they want throughout the rest of the day because it totally defeats the purpose of that set time.


Three words: Toy Story Mania. I'd bet dollars to donuts that TSM drove the necessity of this alleged new rule, and frankly, I'm in the majority that's completely fine with it.

I totally agree. That line is completely out of control.

[Samjive]

I had no idea you could, under the current arrangement, come back to the ride AFTER your Fast Pass time had passed. I am all for the rule change because I think it makes it fair for everyone.

[HitchHikingGhostFangirl]

I don't mind that they'll be finally enforcing it. I will admit I was one of those that didn't always return within the assigned hour. Never as late as 6 that night, but maybe an hourish or so? Not sure. Honestly don't use fastpasses all that much except to collect them :)

....not a fan of the reserving at home thing though. That just seems like it's going to end up a mess, similar to what happened with online dining reservations. :nono:

[Vinyl Chaser]

i dont think i like this idea, ill admit i abuse the heck out of this but you gotta think about it, when you get a fast pass you cant get one for one hour after you receive one, most people only stay in the park for 8-10 hours (on average) so even if they get a fast pass every hour they are there they really only get 8-10 fast passes a day, with the start times spread out through out the day. And how many of you guys got a fast pass for example big thunder mountain, you are over in tomorrowland and you have 20 minutes before it starts, and you notice the line over on space mountain says only 30 minutes!! you hop on the line knowing you have plenty of time... 30 minutes goes by, 40, 50 you finally get to the ride and youve been waiting an hour. you get out of the ride and you try to book it over to big thunder only to realize theres a parade starting now your pass is expired and you spent a good portion of your day planning around this hour of opportuinity only to have them say NO. Fast pass lines take a maximum 15 minutes to go through as it is, they are FASTER than the normal line.
The reason they are thinking of changing this is because a few little winers have to ruin it for everyone else, if they enfore this small rule are they gonna start enforcing the vinylmation trading rules aswell? where you have to give up your vinyl before picking the number, you only get one choice from the mystery box PER DAY.
the whole point of them looking the other way on the end time is for the convenience of the guest. a day at disney isnt suppose to be scheduled, its suppose to be trying to get as much fun out of the day as possable, i understand if they are coming out with a new system for fastpass (like universal does) where you can get your fast passes before you go, that they need to regulate those, but to enforce a rule that really dosnt do much harm if broken only hinders the day for some guests.

[mshalloween]

i dont think i like this idea, ill admit i abuse the heck out of this but you gotta think about it, when you get a fast pass you cant get one for one hour after you receive one, most people only stay in the park for 8-10 hours (on average) so even if they get a fast pass every hour they are there they really only get 8-10 fast passes a day, with the start times spread out through out the day. And how many of you guys got a fast pass for example big thunder mountain, you are over in tomorrowland and you have 20 minutes before it starts, and you notice the line over on space mountain says only 30 minutes!! you hop on the line knowing you have plenty of time... 30 minutes goes by, 40, 50 you finally get to the ride and youve been waiting an hour. you get out of the ride and you try to book it over to big thunder only to realize theres a parade starting now your pass is expired and you spent a good portion of your day planning around this hour of opportuinity only to have them say NO. Fast pass lines take a maximum 15 minutes to go through as it is, they are FASTER than the normal line.
The reason they are thinking of changing this is because a few little winers have to ruin it for everyone else, if they enfore this small rule are they gonna start enforcing the vinylmation trading rules aswell? where you have to give up your vinyl before picking the number, you only get one choice from the mystery box PER DAY.
the whole point of them looking the other way on the end time is for the convenience of the guest. a day at disney isnt suppose to be scheduled, its suppose to be trying to get as much fun out of the day as possable, i understand if they are coming out with a new system for fastpass (like universal does) where you can get your fast passes before you go, that they need to regulate those, but to enforce a rule that really dosnt do much harm if broken only hinders the day for some guests.

Here is the problem with your logic: Disney is not forcing you to get a Fast Pass. You do not HAVE to plan your day around this Fast Pass time; you are CHOOSING to plan your day around it. Disney couldn't care less whether you wait for your Fast Pass time or stand in line and wait through the queue. Either way, you're already in the park and spending money.

The issue is is that people are abusing the Fast Pass system and defeating the purpose of it. If they give out 100 passes per hour (this is not an estimate, just an example) and half of those people come back within their time slot, that's 50 people who are butting in on someone else's time slot. If half the people do this per time slot, they're having 200, 300, 400 people coming back in other time slots instead of the planned 100.

[Allotes]

i understand if they are coming out with a new system for fastpass (like universal does) where you can get your fast passes before you go

Universal makes you pay for their pass if you want one. Let's all hope Disney never does that.

[mshalloween]

Universal makes you pay for their pass if you want one. Let's all hope Disney never does that.

I *hate* that system. At Christmas it's $100 for an Express Pass at Universal - that is more than a normal park ticket!!

[Allotes]

I *hate* that system. At Christmas it's $100 for an Express Pass at Universal - that is more than a normal park ticket!!

And you can only use it once per ride! Personally, if I've paid to skip the line, I'd like to be able to do it more than once.

[crazybones27]

The fact of the matter is the CM's should never had been allowing someone to return hours later after the pass expires. 15 mins is one thing, anything past that is a completely different story. Yes things happen, but if you miss your time by an hour then what can you do. No matter how long the fast pass line is at any time it doesn't give you the right to basically cut the regular line because you had a fast pass that expired hours earlier.

As for a few whiners ruining it for everyone well then good. I'm sorry I would NEVER assume I can return hours later when my ticket gives me specific times. This is a FREE service and the abusers are going to cause it to become not free. So I'm with the people whining even though I didn't know people were even doing this.

[mshalloween]

And you can only use it once per ride! Personally, if I've paid to skip the line, I'd like to be able to do it more than once.

I 100% agree!! If I'm paying, I'm riding multiple times, period. I would never buy that pass. Now if they want to give me one for free for staying at one of their property hotels (which they do), then I'm all for it :lol:


The fact of the matter is the CM's should never had been allowing someone to return hours later after the pass expires. 15 mins is one thing, anything past that is a completely different story. Yes things happen, but if you miss your time by an hour then what can you do. No matter how long the fast pass line is at any time it doesn't give you the right to basically cut the regular line because you had a fast pass that expired hours earlier.

As for a few whiners ruining it for everyone well then good. I'm sorry I would NEVER assume I can return hours later when my ticket gives me specific times. This is a FREE service and the abusers are going to cause it to become not free. So I'm with the people whining even though I didn't know people were even doing this.

:agree: Great post. Count me in with the whiners (and winers.. I love wine :lol:)

[BrittLee]

This is one of those ever persistent rumors that pop up literally every three or four months; I saw one right before I left for my trip in August that looks almost identical. It's on the same level of the 'They are TOTALLY building a fifth park next year' rumors. :lol: I really don't have an opinion either way, though. There's reasons for it to not be enforced (though these arguments are far more flimsy), there's reasons for it to be. :shrug: I agree with Phylers on the Toy Story Mania front. It probably wasn't as much of an issue or even really noticeable until that ride popped up and people started to grab fast passes and refuse to use them until the end of the night.

[HitchHikingGhostFangirl]

I 100% agree!! If I'm paying, I'm riding multiple times, period. I would never buy that pass. Now if they want to give me one for free for staying at one of their property hotels (which they do), then I'm all for it :lol:


Too bad their hotels are ridiculously expensive :nono: (Which is why I always stay at Disney when I'm at Universal for conventions :lol:)

[Phylers]

Universal makes you pay for their pass if you want one. Let's all hope Disney never does that.


I *hate* that system. At Christmas it's $100 for an Express Pass at Universal - that is more than a normal park ticket!!

Agreed. The "pay for line access" system is a complete crock. I threaten to incite the proletariat in a good, old-fashioned class war every time I'm in Universal on a crowded day. ;-)

[disneyobsessed808]

Agreed. The "pay for line access" system is a complete crock. I threaten to incite the proletariat in a good, old-fashioned class war every time I'm in Universal on a crowded day. ;-)

I feel that way anytime I see a "First/Business Class" line at the TSA checkpoints in airports.

[elemenopy]

I feel that way anytime I see a "First/Business Class" line at the TSA checkpoints in airports.

:lol: as someone who takes advantage of those lines regularly, I have to disagree. Most of the time, people using them are frequent travelers who have gained status with the airlines. Often times, they aren't the ones paying extra, they're the ones forced to spend hundreds more hours in planes and airports than your average person, simply because it's part of their job.

I guarantee you, I can make it through TSA faster than at LEAST 95% of the population, so if I can jump ahead of a few of those people and be on my way, I'm all about it.

On the Fast Pass front, I have to admit, I was one of those people who took advantage of the system and used my passes whenever I happened to be back in the rides area after the time expired. However, I totally understand the need to enforce the rules and will fully abide by the new "you snooze, you lose" policy. Soarin' is another great example - Sunday, the wait in the FP line was 30+ minutes and every person I saw had a pass that had expired hours before.

[disneyobsessed808]

:lol: as someone who takes advantage of those lines regularly, I have to disagree. Most of the time, people using them are frequent travelers who have gained status with the airlines. Often times, they aren't the ones paying extra, they're the ones forced to spend hundreds more hours in planes and airports than your average person, simply because it's part of their job.

I guarantee you, I can make it through TSA faster than at LEAST 95% of the population, so if I can jump ahead of a few of those people and be on my way, I'm all about it.

I'm sure you are faster, but I am pretty sure I am faster than 95% of the population as well. In fact, I'm sure I'm faster than most frequent flyers and First Class passengers. (For example, the men in suits who fly First, who still don't know to take of their shoes :doh:). At Phoenix International, they don't have a separate security checkpoint, they just have a separate line that allows you to bypass us lowly coach flyers to get your ID and boarding pass checked, then you join the rest of the crowd at the scanners. If there were a separate security checkpoint, I could see your point. If I could use the line, I definitely would as well, but I don't think it's necessarily fair.

[Carol]

The issue is is that people are abusing the Fast Pass system and defeating the purpose of it. If they give out 100 passes per hour (this is not an estimate, just an example) and half of those people come back within their time slot, that's 50 people who are butting in on someone else's time slot. If half the people do this per time slot, they're having 200, 300, 400 people coming back in other time slots instead of the planned 100.

I absolutely agree.

Personally I don't have to use the fast pass system as such as I have two special needs children who get the 'Guest Assistance Passes' when we go to WDW, as they find it very difficult to wait in long lines, and can use the fastpass lines at every ride.

In the above example if 50 people are butting into another time slot then it is definitely disadvantaging people that genuinely have fastpasses for that time - it also means that kids (like mine), that use that line for a damn good reason and NEED the line to be shorter than the average line , are upset by someone elses thoughtlessness.

[Joy_C]

yep, another vote for the rule to be strictly enforced. If people are butting into other people's time slot that kinda defeats the whole purpose of the fastpass system and it's also unfair to the people in the standby line.

[stitch1085]

Here is the problem with your logic: Disney is not forcing you to get a Fast Pass. You do not HAVE to plan your day around this Fast Pass time; you are CHOOSING to plan your day around it. Disney couldn't care less whether you wait for your Fast Pass time or stand in line and wait through the queue. Either way, you're already in the park and spending money.

The issue is is that people are abusing the Fast Pass system and defeating the purpose of it. If they give out 100 passes per hour (this is not an estimate, just an example) and half of those people come back within their time slot, that's 50 people who are butting in on someone else's time slot. If half the people do this per time slot, they're having 200, 300, 400 people coming back in other time slots instead of the planned 100.

I'd like to add to this and say that Disney introduced the Fast Pass system NOT so guests could go from one ride to the next but to get them out of the lines and into the shops or the restaurants to spend more money. So as mshalloween they really WON'T care that you missed your fast pass time because you decided to ride another attraction. They MIGHT care if you told them you were on a shopping spree at Emporium and just dropped $2000 on merchandise which caused you to miss your fast pass time.

Another thing is if you are really wanting to use the Fast Pass system to ride as many attractions as possible I would suggest getting a Fast Pass for Thunder Mountain then heading over to a nearby NON-FAST PASS attraction like Pirates or Mansion (this applies to both WDW and DL). This is how I usually utilize my Fast Pass without having to Power Walk everywhere.

[MsDisneyFan]

I guess I'm naive. I never tried to use an expired fast pass for a ride. In fact, it never dawned on me that others were arriving hours after their fast pass expired and actually being allowed in the line.


but to enforce a rule that really dosnt do much harm if broken only hinders the day for some guests.

You say that it hinders the day for some guests. However, what about the people who don't get the benefit of using their fast pass at their normal time because other people are arriving with expired fast passes and clogging the line? What a joke.

[buzzcoleman14]

I have to say that I have used an expired fast pass numerous times and love the system the way it is now. I see this rumor pop up all the time, seems like before every trip I go on, and it never changes. People that are doing this are not breaking laws, they are not ruining the day for anyone else, they are just being smart and getting into shorter/faster moving lines. I only get to disney about once a year, so I'm going to take advantage of the little time I get there.

[mshalloween]

I have to say that I have used an expired fast pass numerous times and love the system the way it is now. I see this rumor pop up all the time, seems like before every trip I go on, and it never changes. People that are doing this are not breaking laws, they are not ruining the day for anyone else, they are just being smart and getting into shorter/faster moving lines. I only get to disney about once a year, so I'm going to take advantage of the little time I get there.

Sorry, I'd hardly call that "being smart". Being inconsiderate, maybe, but certainly not "smart."

[crazybones27]

I have to say that I have used an expired fast pass numerous times and love the system the way it is now. I see this rumor pop up all the time, seems like before every trip I go on, and it never changes. People that are doing this are not breaking laws, they are not ruining the day for anyone else, they are just being smart and getting into shorter/faster moving lines. I only get to disney about once a year, so I'm going to take advantage of the little time I get there.

Just because you only go once a year does not mean you are entitled to skip the line on anyone else. There is a reason why the fast pass only gives you an hour. Technically you are breaking the rules if you return after the time on your ticket has expired. And you also don't know that you're not ruining someone else's day. By you returning during a certain time with an expired ticket you have now made that line longer for people who are there at the right time.

This whole thread just has me shaking my head at how people feel their entitled to do these things. Remember this is a free service and if enough people(:wave:) complain while there to Guest Services that people are abusing their return times it will no longer be free.

No matter how many times this rumor has come up in the end it's still wrong! You're also taking fast passes away from people who are looking to get in to a ride in the morning, but now have to wait till 9pm because everyone bum rushed the fast pass kiosk to get a fast pass to abuse it and return hours later. See thus ruining someone's day :).

Ok rant over :)

[ironlou]

I guess I'm in the minority as far as returning after the end time. Its been my practice at the startof the day to had towards Indiana Jones, grab teh fast passes and then go back to the beginning. Once we enter Adventure Land, I head to Splash Mountain and get another set of FP then head back and get on Indiana Jones. Etc etc

Its been my opinion that if I want to return later then I should be able to. It makes it easier to enjoy my time at the park without having to stand in lines for any length of time. Often times I return with my party hours after the time window, whats the difference if Im in line or return at a later time? Hmmm it would suck if they enforce this.

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Sad to say but I see Disney adopting a similar system that other parks use. The "line jumper braclets". Ive been to DL way before FP...Splash Mountain and its 1 hour + wait in line for example. Using the FP allows me to take full advantage of the park and go from Haunted Mansion straight to Big Thunder without having to wait other than the hour you would be waiting regardless without the FP. But this allows me to plan my day out better. As big as teh parks are getting its taking more skills to enjoy the park fully.

Im sure I'll get blasted for how I use the FP but whether I wait in line with someone for an hour OR grab a FP go shop or ride something else then come back at roughly the same time or later how is it any different. Im still getting in front of people that didnt get a FP. Ive gone on Big Thunder without a FP and heard people talking about how they got their FP eailer that day and it dont phase me. Im there to enjoy the park, not get amd at someone else who used the system to their benefit.

Blast away....lol

[crazybones27]

Quoted for WDW site:


Wouldn't it be great if you could cut your wait time for some of your favorite attractions? Now you can!

Our complimentary Disney's FASTPASS Service saves your place in line for an attraction while you enjoy the rest of the theme park.

To Use Disney's FASTPASS Service:

Look for the "Disney's FASTPASS® Distribution" sign near the entrance of an attraction.
Check the "Return Time" displayed on the sign.
The sign will indicate the time you would return to enjoy the attraction using a FASTPASS ticket.
For attractions, the return time is a one-hour window (e.g., 1:10 p.m. to 2:10 p.m.), so you don't have to be there exactly at a given time. For shows, your return time will be for a specific performance.
If the return time is one that works for you, just insert your admission ticket into the Disney's FASTPASS Service machine. (You may use your Walt Disney World Resort admission ticket, readmission ticket, Disney Resort Hotel keycard or Annual Passport.)
A FASTPASS ticket will emerge with your return time printed on it. Now you're free to go and enjoy the rest of the theme park!
Go back to the FASTPASS ticketholder entrance when your return time rolls around, show your ticket to the Cast Member and enjoy the attraction with a minimal wait.


The Fast pass system is not an all you can eat buffet. You have an hour to go shop and enjoy doing something else while waiting for your return time to come up. It's not, get there in the morning, get the first fast pass time, and come back 6hrs later.

With this I'm done with this thread. As I just don't understand why people feel their more privileged then others who abide by the rules and plan their days properly by the fast passes they print and use them correctly.

[Toad_Passenger]

I will say that I've used my fastpass past the window. However, did anyone see the OFFICIAL reference sheet for CM's regarding this?

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/allen33896/FP.jpg

Bullet point #3 seems to say that you are (were) allowed to use it anytime after the initial window, so long as it was the same day.

[crazybones27]

Yeah but you missed it on purpose and accidentally missed it is completely different. It's one thing to miss it by 15 minutes and it's another thing by 6hrs on purpose. I think you're reading it how you want to read that.

[Carol]

Yeah but you missed it on purpose and accidentally missed it is completely different. It's one thing to miss it by 15 minutes and it's another thing by 6hrs on purpose. I think you're reading it how you want to read that.

I guess this is another thing that is finally up to the individual CM's to enforce or let slide - shame.

I never realised that people got FPs in the morning with no intention of keeping to the time - just using it as a line skipping device for later in the day when it suits them!

To all the people that dont think it hurts anyone else - just spare a thought for the people with special needs using that line for a good reason that are suddenly in a much bigger and longer queue than they should be. They put times on the FPs for a reason!

[mshalloween]

Yeah but you missed it on purpose and accidentally missed it is completely different. It's one thing to miss it by 15 minutes and it's another thing by 6hrs on purpose. I think you're reading it how you want to read that.

100% :agree: - if you miss the time because you got caught up in another line or didn't realize the time and miss it by 15 minutes, no big deal. If you get your fast pass to intentionally skip all the lines hours and hours later, that's just rude. Just because it's allowed, doesn't make it right.

[stitch1085]

I vote the return windows be enforced at all times! If you have a doctor's appointment at 3:30 PM, you had best be at the doctor's office no later than 3:30 PM or else risk having to WAIT to be seen by the doctor when they are free! Same thing with fast pass if you MUST be there no later than 3:30 PM you had best be at the Fast Pass entrance by 3:30 PM or else risk having to WAIT in the stand by line for your turn! Using your fast pass during the designated window is the only way the fast pass system will work. After reading this thread now I know why I sometimes have to wait up to 45 minutes in fast pass lines to enjoy an attraction during MY designated window!

[Eeyore1324]

100% :agree: - if you miss the time because you got caught up in another line or didn't realize the time and miss it by 15 minutes, no big deal. If you get your fast pass to intentionally skip all the lines hours and hours later, that's just rude. Just because it's allowed, doesn't make it right.

I agree with both mshalloween and Crazybones. They add that line to the CM procedures because people do get caught up at things like other ride lines (although I know we try to plan accordingly and that sometimes doesn't work too well either), restaurants, getting stuck on a ride, etc. And if they denied you access because you weren't exactly within the hour window but arrived within 15 to 20 minutes late, that would cause many complaints especially if it was due to issues out of anybody's control. Unfortunately, since they pride themselves on excellent customer service, its a hard thing to enforce and turn people away. I do agree that Disney should at least consider adding a stipulation as to how late you can be because it does become unfair to others who play by the rules and don't abuse the privilege.

[Toad_Passenger]

I certainly don't believe we were abusing any situation, since CM's themselves explained to us how to best use our FP's in certain instances. I'm not going to feel guilty for doing something that was clearly allowed (and encouraged by CM's). That being said, I'm not going to complain if they now want to enforce a policy in a different manner, because I love WDW too much, and I will certainly abide by their rules. I just don't like being called a cheater when the policy had different intentions from its inception until now.

[ironlou]

Well said Toad

[disneyobsessed808]

for myself, i don't really care that this is being enforced since i hardly use the fastpass system, but i guess i don't understand the big deal if someone comes much after their time. (in fact, i find it much more infuriating that disneyland resort hotel guests got dibs on fastpasses since i pay the same in admission prices to the parks as someone who stays at their hotels, though i understand that it is disney's right to do whatever they want.) i read the employee time sheet as "missing their time" as whenever they miss the time, whether it be 15 minutes ago or 5 hours ago. yes, i am reading it how i want to, but so are you if you just interpret it as only 15 minutes leeway.

i understand that it slightly clogs up the lines, so that can be annoying. i don't mind waiting 4 to 10 extra minutes in the fast pass line, as there are times when that happens even early in the morning, because its still faster than the standby line. even if others return during my time slot, i don't really see that as my personal time slot only, so i understand that there will still be a wait. if i have to wait longer in the standby line, i don't mind because it's expected.

i don't see them as being "rude" as disney has been allowing it to happen, seeing at least some need for accepting late fastpass returns even beyond just 15 to 20 minutes.

in many ways, the fastpass system is really flawed. i wouldn't mind if they got rid of it altogether. the system is not really free as its paid for with park admission, but if it became an added charge, it wouldn't be simply because of abuse, but because disney sees a way to profit. this move may very well fix some of the issues with fastpass, but i doubt it will fix all of them.

this thread seems to be devolving quickly (IMO, bordering on name-calling and alienating). i think we all need to just step back a bit and be more relaxed about this.

[crazybones27]

Basically this whole rumor is based on the fact that Disney will now be enforcing a rule that was technically there. It's not cheating if the Cast Member is allowing you to do it, but it is against how the system was meant to work. If the fast passes were meant to be able to return at any time then there wouldn't be a cut off time on the ticket. This rumor is just stating that Disney will start being more strict :).

I apologize for getting heated, but it's only because I just don't understand why people need to complain about something that shouldn't have been happening from the start :).

[Return_of_Phos]

this thread seems to be devolving quickly (IMO, bordering on name-calling and alienating). i think we all need to just step back a bit and be more relaxed about this.

:agree: we all need to step back and cool off before this thread gets heated like the old mold thread. Not everyone agrees with this policy and no one will but in this thread but sides should be able to give there reasons as to why they approve or disapprove of this policy. Lets just leave the name calling out of it :D


Also we are not like a certain kingdom site where they claim to value others opinions but yet attack the members who's opinions are different then theirs

[BrittLee]

I feel like this is such a difficult topic and one that never ends well (seriously, I've seen this topic on other disney fan forums and it's always a disaster) because both sides have very logical opinions. Either way, I really doubt it's going to start being enforced at the current time; there are bigger issues for the parks right now that are much more pressing matters. Will the fastpass system have a major overhaul someday? Probably, and it should. But for now, I think leaving it up to cast member's discretion is ok.

[mshalloween]

I think the reason people are upset with what has been said in this thread is the fact that people are so flippant about what they are doing; not upset with the action itself. I don't see where anyone has name-called or personally attacked anyone.

mama, sorry to break this out before you, but I'm going :lock: this down before it spirals more downhill.